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Topic: Comparison Question
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garodz
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posted 06-17-2006 04:05 PM
 
Any suggestions on developing comparision questions for a female who has done everything (I mean everything) and is not afraid to admitt to everything?This will be the second time I will have given a polygraph. This is a seperate target issue. I tried the OT...approach before, but I didnt feel too confident that the questions were strong engough. This is an Atty requested polygraph, and she is a celeb. IP: Logged |
polypro
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posted 06-17-2006 05:37 PM
Do you think a DLC would be strong enough?IP: Logged |
J.B. McCloughan
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posted 06-18-2006 11:14 AM
I am not sure what the examination issue is from your previous post. This would help. Then some of us might be able to give you a list of appropriate categories to choose from and some themes to build off of ones you think might fit the individual.IP: Logged |
ebvan
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posted 06-18-2006 03:51 PM
I would be interested in knowing the testing issue as well.
Without it, you need to go back to the basics. Spend alot of time pretest exploring her background. Ask probing questions and lots of them. Begin to build comparison issues from subjects where she shows hesitation. Find out who she respects the most and work comparison issues around disapointing that person or persons. If she is just like you say she is you are probably not going to use CQ's you find on someone's prepared list.
This is a bit coarse (disgusting material alert)STOP HERE IF YOU OFFEND EASILY.
A friend of mine tells the story about a sex offender he was testing. His sexual activities ran the list from weenie wagging to necrophilic beastiality. This guy had no compunction about sharing every detail. During a discussion with the subject about having sex with a deer he determined that the deer was dead while intercourse was occurring. When my friend asked the subject if the deer was male or female the subject replied female, of course, because he wasn't a queer. This illustrates that everyone has a line that they either won't cross or won't admit to crossing. If you can find that line, you will find the area filled with comparison material. Happy Hunting I'm betting this will be one of your longer exams. On exam day don't schedule anything after this one. You may need the extra time. Don't be afraid of this one just because you haven't run alot of exams. If you went to a decent school, you have the tools you need. ------------------
but then, that's just one man's opinion
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Barry C
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posted 06-18-2006 05:39 PM
When you get admissions, do you make a big deal out of them? I usually ask three very broad CQs, so that one CQ alone covers multiple issues, and I pretest everything I can think of. For example, "Have you ever done anything dishonest or illegal?" is a wide open CQ. I then ask what the question means to the subject - just to see where his mind goes as you never know what you might get - and then I add the more trivial stuff he's not thinking about, and I equate it to the serious stuff he's mentioned. For example, "You're not a reckless driver who doesn't care about others on the road and do things like speeding and running red lights do you?" Just be sure to tie in why you ask the CQs, e.g., you're showing the person doesn't do things that fit the profile of a (whatever the issue is). Different schools do it differently, and I use different approaches for different people, but in the end you've got to convince the person saying "no" is bad for them.I seldom get more than two or three admissions from anyone. When I get to three, I act really surprised and add something along the lines of, "I think you hold the record for these types of things. I really didn't think you'd have that much trouble with these questions." When you "change" the question to add the "besides what you told me" (or whatever) bar, act like that is a big deal too. I am a believer that you can't really over sell a CQ in the set up. It's easy to get DIs. You don't have to do anything for that, but you do have to work for the NDI, which means you've got to make him more concerned about the CQs. Don't miss Ebvans point though. Start thinking about the CQs from the minute you start your pre-test. Pay attention to what she says, and perhaps what she doesn't say. Lock her into statements early - before you hit her with the CQs, and then refer back to what she said earlier. IP: Logged |
garodz
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posted 06-18-2006 08:39 PM
That was very helpful, thanks.ps. I went to Backster's. IP: Logged |
ebvan
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posted 06-19-2006 06:55 AM
Rereading a post the next morning always makes me think of something else. Whenever I introduce question formulation to the subject, I almost always open with somethng like "Now you and I are going to work together to create some questions for your exam. We need to determine whether or not you did it. To do that we will ask you some direct questions about the act and a few other questions to help us determine if you are the kind of person who would do it. The reason I am asking you to help write these questions is so we can be sure that when we start the test you are not only comfortable with the answers you plan to give, but with the questions as well, because you helped write them. " My favorite question after that is some version of "What is the worst thing you have ever done?" ie. What is the biggest lie you ever told, What is the most money you ever stole,What is the most embarrassing thing you ever did regarding sex, What is the most severe injury you ever caused, etc.... I am basically handing them a golden opportunity to minimize their behavior. If they bite then, I have them give me the details about their "worst incident" on the premiss that I have to make sure that their admission won't interfere with the test results. I usually find baskets full of comparison material and they are psychologically positioned for a "No" answer to comparison questions because they have already drawn a line at the worst/biggest/most. If they don't make an admission when I present the comparison question, I tell them " You know, that is precisely the answer that I expected from you because you told me that XYZ was absolutely the worst thing you have ever done and I know you would never even think about DEF or HIJ would you?" If they do make another admission I act really shocked becaue" I thought you said XYZ was the worst thing you have ever done. I guess we'll need to talk about this some more, won't we?" If their initial admission is arguably significantly more severe than the relevant issue, I most usually look at using a different frame of reference for comparison questions. The thing to remember is that comparison issue development deserves your work and attention. Don't fall into the trap of just picking your CQ's from a list because it's easy. I hope this helps. I also hope this isn't too much. I'm afraid that I am trying to explain how to build a wristwatch when all you have asked for is the correct time. P.S. While I went to Texas DPS for Polygraph school, and am fiercely loyal, Backster definitly falls on the list of "Good" Polygraph Schools.
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but then, that's just one man's opinion
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garodz
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posted 06-19-2006 11:51 AM
Ebvan,Even more helpful...not too much.
I am new to the field, and trying to remember everything Cleve said is sometimes hard, to say the lest, so your help is welcomed. Thx IP: Logged |
ebvan
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posted 06-19-2006 12:13 PM
Don't feel bad, Cleve has trouble remembering everything Cleve said sometimes.IP: Logged |
Poly761
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posted 06-19-2006 01:37 PM
Garodz -What is the issue?
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garodz
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posted 06-19-2006 03:09 PM
the issue will be whether or not she created a website to sell a video and is he authorized the sale of the video.IP: Logged |
ebvan
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posted 06-20-2006 11:13 AM
I wonder if the long period of silence was caused by the jaws that collectively dropped when you identified the issue. It doesn't seem like a difficult task although if the examinee is like you say she is, it may be time consuming. May I suggest that you try to develop comparison issues around basic truth and integrity. Don't leave us hanging. Be sure and let us know how this one comes out.
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dayok
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posted 06-21-2006 06:33 AM
yeah, my jaw certainly dropped...lucky you, we usually have to lead with criminals and trash..... weŽd love to exam a celeb and see her video...  i think that you have enough information here, and you can make a really good CQs with this case. but always remember that you can use DLC Dario Karmel IP: Logged |
rnelson
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posted 06-21-2006 03:49 PM
hmmmwebsite celeb video done everything = you're testing a porn star??? LOL ------------------
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J L Ogilvie
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posted 06-22-2006 03:44 PM
Some times when subjects just will not shut up I ask them "Do you even have any morals or values"? "Do you draw the line at anything"? "If you don't how can I show you are not the type of person that would do this"Remember you have to get in their head and make them feel bad when they admit to something relating to controls. I have, on occasion told them "I can't use this question I am going to have to find something that doesn't make you look like a bad person" then change to another, similar comparison. Jack ------------------
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garodz
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posted 06-22-2006 04:17 PM
JL.Very nice! Thanks. IP: Logged |
polypro
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posted 06-23-2006 03:45 PM
Something along the same lines of a DLC., so pls. allow me to ask his question-If you have an examinee who understands PLC's, yet that person does not let you know that they've conducted research or has an understanding of such, do you think that person will still give a strong response to the PLC's?IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 06-23-2006 06:38 PM
Sure. Why not? Didn't you catch fellow students at polygraph school? They knew all about them.IP: Logged |
Taylor
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posted 06-24-2006 10:31 AM
I just happened to read Ogilvie's statement prior to a fidelity exam I conducted yesterday. This woman had cheated numerous times and lied to everyone about anything! I took your suggestion and said 'my hell, is there anyone you haven't lied to? and made her feel bad. I finally got a couple of her close friends with an 'other than what you told me about' and the controls worked beautifully. TaylorIP: Logged |
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